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[speaker_0] Hello, my name
is Samuel Shadrach.

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I am looking for a co-founder to leak
information about the

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US AI companies and the US government.

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This plan is based on a mix of Eliezer
Yudkowsky's worldview

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and Julian Assange's worldview.
You can find their worldviews both,

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you know,

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online. There's a lot of writing about it.

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I want a political leader in the United
States to

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obtain enough power to shut down the AI
companies and

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pause AI research.

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In order to do this,
they will have to oppose a lot of people

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who want to

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accelerate AI research.
This includes people in the intelligence

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agencies, people in the executive branch,
including, you know, the current

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president,
people running various media houses,

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people running

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various lobby groups,
people funding all of the people I listed

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up till

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now, you know, including the media,
the lobby groups, intelligence and so on.

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I want to leak information about all of
these enemies to the

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public.

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This rest of the video
is just going to talk about, you know,

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like roughly

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maybe twenty minutes

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describing this plan in more detail.

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Before I describe the plan,
I will give you some disclaimers.

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The biggest disclaimer is
that all plans are fake.

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Like,

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over the next few months,
I am going to do more stuff in the real

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world and figure

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out, you know,
which parts of this plan make sense

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and which parts do not.

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I do not believe in, you know,
figuring out a perfect plan from day one,

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and it just executes perfectly.
I'm publishing incomplete hot

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takes and as, you know, we do stuff,
we are going to

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find out, you know,
what the actual plan is going to be.

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Uh, second disclaimer,
so far I have been working, you know,

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all by myself, solo on

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this. If hypothetically you
were a co-founder, you chose to work with

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me, then obviously your input
is also valued in the plan.

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We will have to make the plan together.
It won't just be me making it alone.

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So yeah, that's my other disclaimer.

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Cool.

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First,
I will start with like my broader

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worldview,

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like not specific to this plan,
but just what is my worldview,

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what do I think

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about politics, about life,
about whatever.

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And from there you will get a sense of,
okay, you know, why am I working on this?

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Yeah. So

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first of all,
I agree with Eliezer Yudkowsky to a

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significant

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extent. I think there
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soon build an AI that
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everything.

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Like every single task you can imagine,
if you can imagine it,

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you can also imagine

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an AI that's better than the best humans
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Now, if we do this,
it will be the most important event of

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human history.

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We will have literally, you know,
a hard disk this big that will

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be capable of, you know,
spawning an entire civilization from

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scratch with no

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human input.

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I think there's maybe a twenty-five
percent chance we will get this by 2030.

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Uh,
maybe forty percent chance we will get

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this by 2035.

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If we do build such a superintelligence,
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outcome is we will lose control of the
superintelligence, as in we, the human

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race, will lose control of it,
and literally everybody on Earth will die.

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I will die, you will die,
your loved ones will die,

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everyone will die.

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Even if we did figure out how to keep a
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I think the most likely outcome is,
you know, whoever was that person who

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managed to keep the superintelligence in
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the world forever. They will become,
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in spite of all this,
like as we know today, there

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are many people

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who want to accelerate AI research.

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There are many people in the US
intelligence who want to accelerate AI

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research.

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I think people in US intelligence have had
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unaccountable power, like forever,
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domains, like whether to start wars,
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race on key technology,

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whether to do surveillance, so on.

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So even if you could get fifty-one percent

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of the public, in this case the US public,
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say, "Okay,
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maximum pace," even if you could

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get that fifty-one percent,

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that may not actually get you a pause
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institutional structures are such that,
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fifty-one percent is not enough.
Like the people who run,

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uh, who are,
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that ac-acc-accountable to the

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Yeah. And ultimately, uh, now I think,
okay, if you could leak information

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about these people,
you can make them more accountable to the

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public, more

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ensure that, you know,
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into,

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you know,
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Okay. Some other plans
which I have chosen not to work on.

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At some point, I did think about, okay,
what if we could leak the information of

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everybody on the planet, not just,
you know, people building AI?

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I now think that plan has a number of
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I am not working on that plan.
I'm now working specifically

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on leaking specific information about,
you know, specific people who are

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accelerating AI research. That's it.

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I don't think I should try to become a
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If I become a billionaire,
I don't see how I'll be able to pause AI

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research.

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Like sure, there are things I can try, but

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like there's a very long road even from
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It's not like, okay, you get,
you get power as a billionaire and,

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you know, then

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the world gets saved or something.

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I don't think I can become a politician
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people. I'm sorry. [chuckles] That
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And I have learned this the hard way over
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Uh, I still think somebody should try to,
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the public around risks from
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I just don't think I can become
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persuade

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millions of people.

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I think there are people in the past who
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billionaires, politicians,
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In particular, there
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have, you know,

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become activists and

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And, you know, oppose these people,
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succeeded,
they have succeeded because they

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were living in a different country from

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the country whose leaders they want to
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LibGen.

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sorry, uh, who runs SkyHub,

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who lives in, you know, Eastern Europe,
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uh, lawsuits from, you know, US, uh,

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academic publishers.
I can give you many examples like this.

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You can go check them on my website.

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Yeah, so I think this plan of, okay,
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whose leaders you want to oppose,
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and this seems like what I'll be doing.

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Lastly, I have typically,
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in democracy.

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Uh, I believed, okay, like, you know,
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people run the world,
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self-interest,
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usual. I'm saying, okay,
we need a mass movement.

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We need to, you know,
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Like,
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worldview.

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And like, yes, my opinions have changed.

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In theory,
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framework. In practice,
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Mass movements can become violent.

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Mass movements can, you know,
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replace it with a new structure.
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mass movement, even I don't actually know.

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Uh, my opinion on this is this
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this is their problem to

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deal with it, okay?
If you did have millions of people who

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protesting on the streets to pause AI
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what will happen after that, that is

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the problem of the peop- the leaders.
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Cool. Next thing I want to talk about
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I did briefly mention it.
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uh, more clearly. The theory of change
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okay,
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leaders who are governing them,

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it becomes more likely
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Uh, otherwise, typically what happens,
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competing pressures.
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They face pressures to win votes
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closely related to,
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leaders should have to actually get votes,
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minds and hearts,
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so basically, I want to make the,
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stronger as compared to, you know,
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various theories of change. Uh,
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often include, okay, identify who
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my theory of change is not this.
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is not trying to be like,

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okay, let's find the specific, you know,
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or woman, whatever.
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all the leaders' information was public,
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freedom to take independent decisions.

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They will have to do whatever the public
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Uh,
maybe leaking information about them

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is enough to make them

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accountable. Maybe that
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You need actual mass movement, actual,
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I do not actually know. I'm not sure.
I think both are worth trying.

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Someone should try leaking information on
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building a mass movement.

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What is my motivation for working on this?

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So like, in my head, motivation
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Theory of change is, okay, if I do X,
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then A will

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happen, then B will happen.
You can have your whole, you know,

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galaxy brain plan.

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Motivation is about what you feel,
what are your emotions around this whole

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and feelings don't have to be rational
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So yeah, what is my motivation?
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Like, what are my feelings that
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you have to go work

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on this?

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I think my biggest motivation here,
and I'm not actually sure if, you know, my

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motivations change with time or whatever,
but I think my biggest motivation

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here is

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I don't want to die. I don't want,
you know, everyone I care about

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to die. I

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don't want these people who
are building superintelligence to kill me

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and

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everyone I care about. And
if someone comes and, you know,

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tries to kill me,
I'm willing to go pretty far to, you know,

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fucking fight that

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person.

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Uh, like take a hypothetical. Imagine,
imagine this was not, you

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know, some random

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AIC or whatever. Imagine it
was one of my friends.

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Tomorrow they decided, okay,
they will build a bomb that bo-

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blows up everyone on

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the planet. Uh, they had some, you know,
deranged beliefs.

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Oh, this will get us utopia, whatever.

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Uh, I don't buy those beliefs,
but what in practice they're doing,

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they're

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literally spending day
and night working on a bomb to blow up

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everyone

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and the plan to set it off. Now,
I might like my friend, like I

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might like my friend for their honesty,
for their courage.

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They might be, you know,
high on openness to experience like me.

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They might be atheist. They might,
you know, support technological progress.

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There may be various reasons I like my
friend.

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But the fact that I like my friend
is less important.

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The fact that they plan to fucking kill me
is more important.

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And therefore, you know,
if I have to go kill my friend, then,

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you know, I will do

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it.

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Now I have to caution a bit here, like,

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I am not saying, okay, we should just go,
you know, kill everyone who's going to

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build ASI and that will fix the problem.

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Assassinations don't actually work.

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Like,

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I am not trying to assassinate people.

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I am not actively asking anyone to attempt
an assassination either.

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However, emotionally in my head, I'm like,
yeah, if we have to go that far, of

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course, we're going to go that far. Like,
there's no question about it.

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Uh, this is my strongest motivation,
but there are other motivations also.

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You can go look into the document I wrote
for some of them.

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Uh,
I often remind myself about the fact that,

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you know, if all this

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happens, if

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I am not crazy and this, you know,
ASI gets built, you know, I am going to

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die.
I have taken various steps to keep

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reminding myself I'm going to

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die.

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If I have to sacrifice myself
and the world gets saved, you know,

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I am fine with

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that.

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I generally hate authority.
That has always been a thing.

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This could be authority of parents
or family, of religion,

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of governments, of educational systems,
like any sort of authority.

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And I want the truth about, you know,
what all these forms of authority

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are actually doing. Like,
how does society function as a result of,

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you know, all

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this authority,
all this pressure being exerted on people?

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I want the truth of all of this to come
out publicly, and I have some hope, you

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know,

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if people are still alive, you know,
in 10 years or 50 years, 100

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years from now,
they can use all this information

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and they can design some better

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society for themselves, better than,
you know, the current whatever we live in.

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Yeah, so I want the truth to come out.
I am a very strong believer in the truth.

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Okay, some more motivations. Uh,

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I am not pretending to represent,
you know, all of

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humanity's interests like some...

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I am some benevolent leader who, you know,
accounts everyone's interests and

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calculates, you know,
like in Yudkowsky's worldview, this

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is like a CEV.

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Uh,

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like there are different philosophies
or different names for it,

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but like I'm not

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trying to say, "Oh,
I am representing everyone's interests." I

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am here to represent

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my interests, which
is I don't want to die

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and I don't want to live in a dead

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world.
And you might also benefit from that.

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Like, if I save the world,
you will also not die,

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and that's also in your benefit.

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But I am not, like, saying, "Oh,
I will just

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defer to you on things." Like,
I'm doing this because I want the world to

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be

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a certain way and not another way.

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Yeah, and many people say they
are fine with human extinction.

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I think that some of them are wrong,
but also it doesn't matter.

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You may be fine with it.
I am not fine with it and, you know,

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I'm going to fight

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this.

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I am a huge fan of Naval Ravikant's quote
that I

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should not just keep blaming other people
that the world is ending.

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I should also, you know,
take ownership of this problem

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and be like, you know, if

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the world ends, this is my fault as well.

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Like,
I also should have done my best to prevent

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this from happening. And if I failed to,
you know, do my best, I should also blame

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myself.

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And I, yeah, I buy that.

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Uh,

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a more self-interest, again,
another reason, like,

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working alone on problems is, you know,

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demotivating.

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I don't want to become depressed.
I think there is a small chance,

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not very big,

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but a small chance I will become depressed
if I don't find anyone to work with

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this. So again,
I would really like to work with someone

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on this.

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Uh, don't join just because, oh,
Samuel's mental health or whatever.

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That is a bad reason to join.
If you actually believe in this cause

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and you

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actually want to go all in,
then you can come work with me.

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Uh,

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if I am going to die for whatever reason,
be it due to ASI, be it for any other

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reason, like,
I want people to remember that, okay,

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here are things I

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did that were beneficial for the

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world. Uh,
I want people to remember my work after I

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die.

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I don't want to just die and be forgotten.

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I think that's another motivation I do
have.

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So that I think concludes the section on,
you know, what are my motivations, why am

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I working on this.

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Okay, next section,
what will I not be working on?

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I am, like I said,
I am not working on persuading people.

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My focus is on leaking information.

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Other people can work on persuading people
that, you know, superintelligence is

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coming, the world is ending,
you need to do something about it today.

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I am not working on sabotage.
Sabotage means basically destroying other

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people's, uh, equipment, property,

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occasionally livelihood. But yeah,

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like,
I don't think sabotaging AI companies

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is actually going to work.

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Again,
there are too many people trying to build

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AI.

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Uh,

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if you just go, you know,

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destroy a few computers or something,
be it by hacking, be it any means, like,

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this doesn't actually stop the AI race.
There are too many people.

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There's too much money in this space.

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Like, if you actually, let's say,
you know, blew up TSMC, I can see how that

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actually helps. But apart from that,
I don't see how sabotage actually helps.

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Therefore, I am not working on sabotage.

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I am not working on assassinating anyone.

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Uh, I want to again make this clear.

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I don't think assassinating any one person
is actually going to stop the AI race.

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Cool.

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Now I'm going to come to an important
section on morality.

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Yeah,
why am I talking about morality so much?

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Uh, well, firstly, because a lot of,
you know, people in

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EA strong circles had issues with my moral
worldview or whatever.

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But also because I think morality
is one of the core things

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about a person,
one of the core things

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that helps people to coordinate.

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Uh,

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if I'm trying to find more people to
coordinate with me, it makes at least some

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sense for me to talk about morality.

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Also, the kind of plan we're working on,
we will have to cross some moral lines, I

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think. Especially if we
are crossing moral lines,

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we need to be careful about,

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okay, which lines we're crossing
and why and so on.

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Yeah, my worldview on morality is I think,
first of all, most writing on

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morality is kind of useless. It's just,

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yeah,
like if you see like writings on moral

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philosophy and then what those people

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actually go do in the real life,
like these are like two completely

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separate

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things. And therefore,
I think most writing on morality is

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useless. Well, maybe useless
is going too far.

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I would say not that useful.
Like morality is something

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that's tested in practice, not in theory.
I very strongly believe this.

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Uh,
one thing I do believe about morality

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is that,

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and again, I'm not sure, but this
is something I believe, like

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if you have had like

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a very nice life,
like you've had a comfortable life where--

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with

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people who you trust,
with people you're happy with,

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like you will by default want

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to be nice to people all the time.

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I don't think being nice to people all the
time is going to fix the problem of risk

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from superintelligence.
I think some people need to be less nice

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to the

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people building superintelligence and,
you know, go fight them.

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Uh, again, not physically fight them,
but fight them in other means.

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Uh,

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so if you have had a very nice life,
your default approach may or may not

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actually work.

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If you have suffered a lot in life,
now you have a choice.

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Like you understand that, okay,
when a situation comes, there is a

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more nice way of dealing with it
and a less nice way of dealing with it.

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And I personally, I am not everyone,
I am a specific person, I am

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sympathetic to the people who have
suffered in the past and then therefore

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they understand that sometimes you have to
take the less nice route.

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You can't always be nice
and expect situations to get solved.

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I am sympathetic those-- to those people.
I am one of those people.

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I might

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prefer working with someone like
that who understands this

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fact about human nature.

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Uh,
I think it's possible to go too far with

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this.

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Like,
I don't want to become someone who

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full-time enjoys, you know, inflicting

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pain and suffering on my enemies. But

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like we need to understand our job
is to inflict pain

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and suffering on our enemies.

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Like they need to lose power,
we need to gain power.

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Uh,
I don't think I'm alone in having

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understanding of this, you know,

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fact about human nature.
I think many political leaders also have

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understood that

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sometimes you have to take, you know,
the less nice route.

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Uh, examples, Winston Churchill,
in my view,

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basically spent his entire career
brainwashing teenagers to, you know,

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walk into

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their own deaths. And I think this
is fine.

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He's still on the right side of history
for me.

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Uh,
Nelson Mandela's wife basically joined a

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terrorist organization to, you know,

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do attacks against the British. I

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think that was fine.
She's on the right side of history.

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Was it all this most maximally effective
and all that? I don't know.

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But like I think morally all this is okay.

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Uh,
there were people who tried in

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assassinating Hitler.

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I support the people who tried
assassinating Hitler.

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Uh,
I respect all these people for

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understanding that sometimes you do need
to

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actually go that far.

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Okay,
so this is my thing on morality in

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general.

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Now applying it to the specific plan of
leaking information.

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Like when it comes to leaking information,
what are the specific moral

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decisions we have to make? Uh, first,
who are we targeting?

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Second,
what are we going to leak to the public?

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And third, what methods
are we going to use?

484
00:21:39,442 --> 00:21:42,682
Okay, so the first one is easy. Uh,
who are we targeting?

485
00:21:42,722 --> 00:21:46,102
For me, it's like, for me, the answer
is everyone. It's a very broad umbrella.

486
00:21:46,302 --> 00:21:50,182
Like we can target anyone working at any
of the USA companies,

487
00:21:50,242 --> 00:21:53,922
anyone working in the US intelligence
community, anyone working in any of the

488
00:21:53,942 --> 00:21:57,642
political campaigns working to accelerate
AI, anyone being

489
00:21:57,702 --> 00:22:00,062
funded,
anyone who's funding any of these people.

490
00:22:00,502 --> 00:22:03,062
Like this could be senior people,
junior people,

491
00:22:04,062 --> 00:22:06,702
people currently working,
people previously working.

492
00:22:06,762 --> 00:22:09,682
Like the umbrella is very broad.
Like for who are we targeting?

493
00:22:09,762 --> 00:22:13,242
I'm targeting everyone.
Like I am fine with acquiring

494
00:22:13,302 --> 00:22:17,122
information on everyone,
but I want to be selective about

495
00:22:17,162 --> 00:22:19,932
what information we leak.
Like we can acquire a lot of information,

496
00:22:20,002 --> 00:22:20,422
but then what

497
00:22:20,442 --> 00:22:21,942
we leak to the public is a separate thing.

498
00:22:21,971 --> 00:22:23,162
There,
I would like this to be a bit more

499
00:22:23,202 --> 00:22:23,622
selective.

500
00:22:25,502 --> 00:22:29,102
Now what-- Now comes question two,
what information am I okay leaking to the

501
00:22:29,142 --> 00:22:31,722
public as opposed to, you know,
we just acquire it,

502
00:22:31,782 --> 00:22:33,082
we kept it for ourselves, we

503
00:22:33,102 --> 00:22:33,942
don't do much with it?

504
00:22:35,502 --> 00:22:39,442
The short answer is I don't actually know
what information we should be

505
00:22:39,482 --> 00:22:42,102
leaking to the public.
Like the end goal is, okay,

506
00:22:42,162 --> 00:22:43,022
make all these leaders

507
00:22:43,042 --> 00:22:46,462
accountable to the public and, you know,
stop the AI race.

508
00:22:47,542 --> 00:22:50,642
Now, in order to do that,
what information should we leak such

509
00:22:50,722 --> 00:22:51,452
that this happens?

510
00:22:51,562 --> 00:22:54,442
I don't actually know.
I have not yet done surveys.

511
00:22:54,662 --> 00:22:55,722
I just have some guesses

512
00:22:56,642 --> 00:22:59,242
based on, you know,
my reading of previous leaks and so on.

513
00:23:00,322 --> 00:23:04,082
Uh, guess number one, I want, want to

514
00:23:04,142 --> 00:23:07,622
find out like why don't we have anti-AI

515
00:23:07,702 --> 00:23:09,862
political leaders already? Like

516
00:23:11,302 --> 00:23:14,722
already if you survey, you know,
the public, it's like, you know, 50%

517
00:23:14,942 --> 00:23:18,542
pro-AI, 50% anti.
So like half the public is anti-AI.

518
00:23:18,582 --> 00:23:20,602
Like why are there no leaders representing
these people?

519
00:23:20,642 --> 00:23:24,282
Like, and why do they not have, you know,
50% of the political power if, you know,

520
00:23:24,462 --> 00:23:26,402
50% of the people are voting against AI?

521
00:23:27,242 --> 00:23:29,182
So I want to find out, you know, what
are the pressures that

522
00:23:29,242 --> 00:23:30,722
are being put on all

523
00:23:30,762 --> 00:23:33,142
these anti-AI political leaders?

524
00:23:33,202 --> 00:23:37,102
Like why are these people not already in
power? Like what is stopping them?

525
00:23:37,162 --> 00:23:37,362
Like

526
00:23:39,022 --> 00:23:42,222
are they being, you know,
cut out from the relevant networks of

527
00:23:42,242 --> 00:23:42,882
elites?

528
00:23:43,102 --> 00:23:47,062
Do they not get funding?
Do media houses refuse to work with them?

529
00:23:47,702 --> 00:23:50,212
Are they just being demoralized?
Are they being, you know,

530
00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:51,142
physically threatened?

531
00:23:51,262 --> 00:23:54,122
Like what is stopping them? This
is something I want to understand

532
00:23:54,202 --> 00:23:55,002
and also leak to

533
00:23:55,042 --> 00:23:55,662
the public.

534
00:23:56,502 --> 00:24:00,422
So a concrete example, in the 2016 US

535
00:24:00,502 --> 00:24:04,442
presidential election, uh, it
was found out that people

536
00:24:04,482 --> 00:24:08,262
in the DNC were conspiring against Bernie
Sanders in

537
00:24:08,322 --> 00:24:11,902
favor of Hillary Clinton. Uh,
a hacker group basically got

538
00:24:12,022 --> 00:24:15,362
emails within people in the DNC,
and they leaked these emails.

539
00:24:15,562 --> 00:24:18,402
And as a result,
I think Hillary Clinton actually became

540
00:24:18,442 --> 00:24:19,122
less popular.

541
00:24:19,462 --> 00:24:21,862
Uh, Bernie Sanders, you know,
became slightly more popular.

542
00:24:22,802 --> 00:24:24,842
Uh,
I think this is an example of the type of

543
00:24:24,902 --> 00:24:26,582
thing I would want to leak.

544
00:24:26,642 --> 00:24:29,182
I would want to leak, you know, what
are the pressures all these people

545
00:24:29,222 --> 00:24:29,762
are facing

546
00:24:29,982 --> 00:24:33,874
and why are they not able To come to power
if they are actually, you

547
00:24:33,914 --> 00:24:35,374
know, representing people's interests.

548
00:24:37,334 --> 00:24:39,754
Second,
I want to leak information about personal

549
00:24:39,814 --> 00:24:40,314
abuse.

550
00:24:40,814 --> 00:24:43,734
For example,
Sam Altman has been accused of raping his

551
00:24:43,774 --> 00:24:44,254
sister.

552
00:24:44,514 --> 00:24:45,854
I don't know if that actually happened.

553
00:24:45,954 --> 00:24:49,874
However, if this actually happened,
I want evidence about this to be leaked to

554
00:24:49,914 --> 00:24:50,474
the public.

555
00:24:52,094 --> 00:24:56,064
Uh, again, if you had enough--
if you had actual concrete evidence, you

556
00:24:56,074 --> 00:24:59,404
had enough people rallying around this,
I think you actually can put powerful

557
00:24:59,494 --> 00:25:03,214
people in prison, even if, like,
if they are, you know, rapists or,

558
00:25:04,314 --> 00:25:05,854
uh, similarly abusive.

559
00:25:06,694 --> 00:25:09,674
I think this can be done. Historic-- Like,
doing this is hard.

560
00:25:09,734 --> 00:25:12,934
Like, you know, for example,
you obviously know about the Epstein

561
00:25:12,994 --> 00:25:13,424
files,

562
00:25:13,514 --> 00:25:15,874
where there have been a lot of
speculations,

563
00:25:15,974 --> 00:25:17,494
but not enough concrete evidence

564
00:25:17,554 --> 00:25:19,333
as to, you know, who is a rapist, who
is not.

565
00:25:19,474 --> 00:25:22,974
If you had concrete evidence and you had,
you know, public pressure, I still think

566
00:25:23,014 --> 00:25:24,454
you can put these people in prison.

567
00:25:25,834 --> 00:25:28,194
Third,
I want to leak information about

568
00:25:28,254 --> 00:25:29,574
democratic safeguards being

569
00:25:29,614 --> 00:25:33,354
broken. So an example here, again,
famous example

570
00:25:33,574 --> 00:25:35,254
would be when Edward Snowden,

571
00:25:36,074 --> 00:25:37,774
uh,
talked about the NSA surveillance

572
00:25:37,834 --> 00:25:38,494
programs.

573
00:25:38,754 --> 00:25:42,474
He particularly talked about how various
congressmen, various

574
00:25:42,494 --> 00:25:44,814
senators were not informed about these
programs.

575
00:25:44,874 --> 00:25:47,934
He talked about how various Supreme Court
judges were not informed about these

576
00:25:47,954 --> 00:25:51,074
programs.
He talked about how secret courts were

577
00:25:51,084 --> 00:25:55,064
established, uh, so
that you did not have to go through

578
00:25:55,064 --> 00:25:58,644
the official courts to, you know, get,
you know, your warrant or whatever for the

579
00:25:58,734 --> 00:25:59,354
surveillance.

580
00:26:00,614 --> 00:26:02,644
By default,
I'm expecting similar things

581
00:26:02,674 --> 00:26:03,714
are going to happen again.

582
00:26:03,814 --> 00:26:07,174
You know, the US AI companies
and the US intelligence are going to make

583
00:26:07,194 --> 00:26:10,274
alliances and have--
and they could end up having some secret

584
00:26:10,284 --> 00:26:11,034
programs running.

585
00:26:11,074 --> 00:26:13,914
I would want to leak information about
those secret programs.

586
00:26:16,054 --> 00:26:19,994
Uh,
then I want to leak information about who

587
00:26:20,074 --> 00:26:22,794
in the AI companies
is actually fine with human extinction.

588
00:26:23,614 --> 00:26:23,934
Like,

589
00:26:25,954 --> 00:26:29,754
supporting human extinction actively
is very unpopular,

590
00:26:29,894 --> 00:26:31,894
and I want it to remain very unpopular.

591
00:26:32,274 --> 00:26:35,914
I want to leak information about, like,
who's, you know, building

592
00:26:36,234 --> 00:26:40,213
ASI and secretly believes, okay,
human extinction due to

593
00:26:40,294 --> 00:26:44,254
ASI is a good thing. Again,
I don't want to punish free

594
00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:46,694
speech here. Like,
you have an unpopular opinion, fine.

595
00:26:47,114 --> 00:26:50,434
But if you use that unpopular opinion to,
you know, literally risk everyone's lives

596
00:26:50,474 --> 00:26:51,943
on Earth, then I want that to be leaked.

597
00:26:51,994 --> 00:26:54,034
That, okay, this is,
you had this unpopular opinion,

598
00:26:54,074 --> 00:26:54,854
therefore you did it.

599
00:26:55,814 --> 00:26:59,704
So concrete example here, uh,
Elon Musk has accused

600
00:26:59,834 --> 00:27:02,294
Larry Page of supporting human extinction.

601
00:27:03,374 --> 00:27:05,834
Uh,
Larry Page has a controlling interest in

602
00:27:05,874 --> 00:27:06,734
Google and Google

603
00:27:06,774 --> 00:27:07,374
DeepMind.

604
00:27:08,574 --> 00:27:12,394
Jürgen Schmidhuber, uh, more
or less supports human

605
00:27:12,434 --> 00:27:14,694
extinction. Again,
he's waffly about his language,

606
00:27:14,794 --> 00:27:16,054
but he basically is fine with,

607
00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:18,014
you know,
an AI takes over the civilization and,

608
00:27:18,094 --> 00:27:18,704
you know, humans are

609
00:27:19,014 --> 00:27:20,274
ir-irrelevant, blah, blah, blah.

610
00:27:21,134 --> 00:27:24,674
Uh, many of DeepMind's early employees,
such as, you know, Shane Legg, such as

611
00:27:24,714 --> 00:27:28,154
Marcus Hutter, such as Seth Hochreiter,
they were trained under Jürgen

612
00:27:28,194 --> 00:27:32,074
Schmidhuber. So if all of these people,
you know, such as Shane

613
00:27:32,114 --> 00:27:35,114
Legg, such as Marcus Hutter, and so on,
if they are all actually fine with human

614
00:27:35,174 --> 00:27:37,974
extinction, then I also want
that information to reach the public.

615
00:27:38,474 --> 00:27:39,313
I want to leak that.

616
00:27:41,534 --> 00:27:43,174
Lastly, uh,

617
00:27:44,294 --> 00:27:47,194
if there are any, like,
rogue groups who are trying to, you know,

618
00:27:47,494 --> 00:27:47,694
build

619
00:27:47,774 --> 00:27:51,714
superintelligence in secret, like, again,
I would want to leak that also.

620
00:27:51,754 --> 00:27:54,754
Like, to pause AI,
it's not enough to just have, like, a

621
00:27:54,774 --> 00:27:58,494
treaty signed by some leaders.
You also need to enforce

622
00:27:58,574 --> 00:28:00,414
it.
If there are people in secret trying to

623
00:28:00,454 --> 00:28:02,254
build, you know, ASI, I don't want them

624
00:28:02,294 --> 00:28:04,094
to build it in secret. I want to leak,
okay,

625
00:28:04,174 --> 00:28:05,694
who's trying to build this in secret.

626
00:28:06,494 --> 00:28:08,484
Yeah,
these are my guesses for what information

627
00:28:08,514 --> 00:28:09,164
we have to leak.

628
00:28:09,174 --> 00:28:11,214
But again, I will reiterate,
I don't actually know.

629
00:28:11,274 --> 00:28:12,974
We are going to find this out as we go
along.

630
00:28:13,874 --> 00:28:17,374
Uh,
never in human history have we lived under

631
00:28:17,474 --> 00:28:17,714
fully

632
00:28:17,794 --> 00:28:21,094
transparent leadership.
Leadership has always been secretive by

633
00:28:21,134 --> 00:28:21,674
default

634
00:28:22,594 --> 00:28:26,514
and unaccountable by default. Uh,
today we have

635
00:28:26,574 --> 00:28:29,654
tools that enable, you know, less secrecy,
more

636
00:28:29,704 --> 00:28:33,174
transparency, and maybe also more

637
00:28:33,214 --> 00:28:35,134
accountability,
although that's kind of debated.

638
00:28:35,854 --> 00:28:39,194
So we are going to find this out as we go
along, what leaks are actually the most

639
00:28:39,234 --> 00:28:39,684
useful.

640
00:28:41,634 --> 00:28:44,134
Okay,
so I initially started with we need to

641
00:28:44,194 --> 00:28:45,614
make some moral decisions, like what

642
00:28:45,694 --> 00:28:48,554
information can we acquire?
What do we leak?

643
00:28:48,814 --> 00:28:52,114
And what methods to be used?
So what information we acquire, again,

644
00:28:52,194 --> 00:28:52,634
it's like we

645
00:28:52,674 --> 00:28:55,794
can acquire everything. What do we leak?

646
00:28:56,754 --> 00:28:59,884
Uh, my answer is I don't know,
but here are my specific guesses of some

647
00:28:59,914 --> 00:29:00,354
information

648
00:29:00,394 --> 00:29:04,084
we, I think we should try to leak.
Third comes what methods are we allowed to

649
00:29:04,154 --> 00:29:07,174
use? [coughs] Now,
when it comes to what methods

650
00:29:07,214 --> 00:29:08,114
are we allowed to use,

651
00:29:08,214 --> 00:29:09,874
now,
if you're trying to get information on

652
00:29:09,894 --> 00:29:11,194
someone, you have to break their

653
00:29:11,234 --> 00:29:14,234
security in some way. Now,
typically this means either breaking

654
00:29:14,274 --> 00:29:15,194
physical security

655
00:29:15,434 --> 00:29:18,854
or cybersecurity, uh, more,
more broadly information security.

656
00:29:18,874 --> 00:29:20,804
So physical security,
information security,

657
00:29:21,034 --> 00:29:22,354
or you break their social circle.

658
00:29:23,494 --> 00:29:27,394
So example of breaking physical security
would be, you know, the Pentagon Pizza

659
00:29:27,414 --> 00:29:27,914
Index,

660
00:29:29,014 --> 00:29:31,434
uh, [coughs] which was basically

661
00:29:32,574 --> 00:29:36,314
people found out that, okay, when a war
is about to be declared, you know,

662
00:29:36,414 --> 00:29:40,174
people near the Pentagon order a lot of
pizzas, and this shows up on Google

663
00:29:40,234 --> 00:29:43,154
Maps or whatever. So you can predict,
okay, if a lot of pizzas

664
00:29:43,174 --> 00:29:43,664
are being ordered,

665
00:29:43,714 --> 00:29:45,814
probably a war is going to be, you know,
ordered.

666
00:29:47,134 --> 00:29:49,674
Uh, another example is this famous

667
00:29:50,614 --> 00:29:53,514
Substack writer, Dominic Cummings,
who worked under,

668
00:29:54,554 --> 00:29:58,194
like, worked, uh,
during the Brexit political campaigns in

669
00:29:58,254 --> 00:29:58,314
the

670
00:29:58,394 --> 00:30:01,054
UK.
He wrote about how he basically literally

671
00:30:01,064 --> 00:30:02,314
searched through the trash cans of

672
00:30:02,354 --> 00:30:04,614
his opponent,
and he found the entire political campaign

673
00:30:04,674 --> 00:30:05,594
of his, you know, opponent

674
00:30:05,654 --> 00:30:08,614
in those trash cans. So these
are examples of, you know,

675
00:30:08,674 --> 00:30:09,294
breaking physical

676
00:30:09,354 --> 00:30:11,354
security, where your

677
00:30:12,174 --> 00:30:15,774
enemy has left some, you know, clues,
some trails, some information in physical

678
00:30:15,874 --> 00:30:18,894
space. Uh,
there are more violent ways of this

679
00:30:18,914 --> 00:30:19,794
that the

680
00:30:19,854 --> 00:30:22,614
most violent is something like, you know,
literally kidnap someone and get

681
00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:25,594
information out of them.
I'm not very keen on doing that,

682
00:30:25,654 --> 00:30:26,594
at least to begin with.

683
00:30:26,834 --> 00:30:26,974
Uh,

684
00:30:27,954 --> 00:30:28,234
that's

685
00:30:29,054 --> 00:30:32,974
physical security.
Next comes cybersecurity, information

686
00:30:33,034 --> 00:30:36,194
security. Uh,
this means basically we hack into their

687
00:30:36,254 --> 00:30:36,934
servers, and we get

688
00:30:36,974 --> 00:30:38,034
information out of that

689
00:30:39,554 --> 00:30:43,294
Third,
and what I'm actually have most hope about

690
00:30:43,354 --> 00:30:43,534
right

691
00:30:43,574 --> 00:30:45,534
now is breaking their social circle.

692
00:30:46,194 --> 00:30:49,434
Breaking social circle basically means
find someone in their social circle who

693
00:30:49,454 --> 00:30:51,774
will, you know, turn against them
and give us the information.

694
00:30:54,354 --> 00:30:57,474
Now,
this has already historically been done by

695
00:30:57,534 --> 00:30:58,114
various, you know,

696
00:30:58,174 --> 00:31:01,734
journalists and, you know, OSINT, uh,
open-source intelligence

697
00:31:01,794 --> 00:31:02,634
specialists.

698
00:31:03,934 --> 00:31:06,844
Uh, there are, at least today, there
are now various media houses

699
00:31:06,874 --> 00:31:07,444
that work with,

700
00:31:07,494 --> 00:31:08,864
you know,
OSINT specialists because they've

701
00:31:08,874 --> 00:31:10,064
understood this is how, you know,

702
00:31:10,114 --> 00:31:11,054
journalism works today.

703
00:31:11,974 --> 00:31:15,654
So OSINT includes everything from,
you know, analyzing social media to,

704
00:31:15,674 --> 00:31:15,794
you know,

705
00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:19,774
building tools to dox people online, to,
you know, analyzing flight data of,

706
00:31:19,834 --> 00:31:23,694
you know, flights, flights are public,
to analyzing satellite data, to

707
00:31:23,794 --> 00:31:26,854
analyzing, you know,
camera footage that's uploaded publicly.

708
00:31:27,474 --> 00:31:29,694
Like,
just any information available online,

709
00:31:29,774 --> 00:31:31,434
try to analyze that, identify, you

710
00:31:31,474 --> 00:31:35,414
know, like who knows who,
who did what when, who did what

711
00:31:35,474 --> 00:31:36,834
why, just get information.

712
00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:41,834
So this I want to work on. Uh,
once we have this

713
00:31:41,854 --> 00:31:45,754
information, then you can do things like,
okay, interview specific people

714
00:31:45,794 --> 00:31:48,234
and ask them to, you know,
turn to your side.

715
00:31:48,354 --> 00:31:52,134
Now, to turn to y- turn them to your side,
you need, y- typically, you

716
00:31:52,174 --> 00:31:54,614
either need to pay them money or,
you know,

717
00:31:54,654 --> 00:31:56,034
they should have some ideological

718
00:31:56,194 --> 00:31:58,944
or personal motivation for, you know,
giving you that information.

719
00:31:59,764 --> 00:32:03,404
So we can figure that stuff out. You know,
can we build, you know,

720
00:32:03,454 --> 00:32:05,974
infrastructure to, you know,
pay these people anonymously?

721
00:32:06,574 --> 00:32:09,574
Can we figure out, okay,
whose writings are persuasive and then go,

722
00:32:09,614 --> 00:32:10,154
you know, DM

723
00:32:10,214 --> 00:32:14,084
that persuasive message to
that specific insider and be like,

724
00:32:14,104 --> 00:32:17,274
"Okay, this is why you should, you know,
give us the information." We can figure

725
00:32:17,294 --> 00:32:18,174
out stuff like this.

726
00:32:19,514 --> 00:32:21,974
And lastly,
once we have an insider who's willing to,

727
00:32:22,034 --> 00:32:22,994
you know, turn on their

728
00:32:23,734 --> 00:32:25,414
circle and, you know, give us information,

729
00:32:26,394 --> 00:32:29,584
now how do they actually safely give this
to us? Like, what is the tooling?

730
00:32:29,624 --> 00:32:31,274
What's the infrastructure required?

731
00:32:32,254 --> 00:32:35,014
Uh, for example,
I have written a guide for whistleblowers.

732
00:32:35,074 --> 00:32:37,174
Like, if you are, you know,
US government whistleblower,

733
00:32:37,234 --> 00:32:37,874
how do you safely

734
00:32:37,894 --> 00:32:41,054
whistleblow?
I have written about how you can pay

735
00:32:41,134 --> 00:32:41,874
whistleblowers using

736
00:32:41,914 --> 00:32:45,754
cryptocurrency. I have written about,
you know, what are the tools

737
00:32:45,814 --> 00:32:48,714
that you can use to redact information
before publishing it.

738
00:32:48,804 --> 00:32:50,954
So like,
once a whistleblower has some information,

739
00:32:51,614 --> 00:32:51,904
[coughs]

740
00:32:52,514 --> 00:32:54,374
they can't immediately just leak it.

741
00:32:54,434 --> 00:32:57,134
They need to sit and, like,
redact certain pieces which are sensitive,

742
00:32:57,254 --> 00:32:57,514
and then

743
00:32:57,554 --> 00:33:00,414
only they can leak it.
I've written about tools to make

744
00:33:00,434 --> 00:33:01,094
that easy.

745
00:33:01,494 --> 00:33:04,034
There's also stuff around, like,
who will actually host this information?

746
00:33:04,094 --> 00:33:07,203
Like, whoever tries to host it, you know,
puts it on their website or, uh,

747
00:33:07,294 --> 00:33:10,994
whatever, they again become a target.
So make hosting easy.

748
00:33:12,014 --> 00:33:15,094
I think this all comes broadly around the
social circle umbrella.

749
00:33:15,154 --> 00:33:18,814
How do we break, you know, security of,
uh, people

750
00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:22,514
accelerating AI by, you know,
getting someone in their social circle to

751
00:33:22,554 --> 00:33:22,694
turn

752
00:33:22,734 --> 00:33:23,274
against them.

753
00:33:25,294 --> 00:33:27,074
These are all the methods we have roughly.

754
00:33:27,154 --> 00:33:28,734
Now,
which of these methods am I okay with,

755
00:33:28,814 --> 00:33:29,554
morally speaking?

756
00:33:31,454 --> 00:33:34,414
Uh, again,
I don't have very strong hard lines here,

757
00:33:34,514 --> 00:33:35,254
but I

758
00:33:35,314 --> 00:33:38,744
generally lean towards approaches that
are honest and not deceptive.

759
00:33:39,134 --> 00:33:39,494
Like,

760
00:33:40,734 --> 00:33:44,054
I care about honesty.
I care about maintaining promises to our

761
00:33:44,094 --> 00:33:48,034
allies, which requires honesty. Like,
if you're dishonest, why will people trust

762
00:33:48,094 --> 00:33:50,014
your promises? I care about honesty.

763
00:33:50,434 --> 00:33:53,074
Uh,
I want the truth to come out in the long

764
00:33:53,134 --> 00:33:53,254
run.

765
00:33:53,314 --> 00:33:54,774
Like,
the whole reason I'm doing this entire

766
00:33:54,834 --> 00:33:56,234
leaking thing in the first place is I

767
00:33:56,274 --> 00:33:57,834
want the truth to come out eventually.

768
00:33:58,634 --> 00:33:59,034
Uh,

769
00:34:00,374 --> 00:34:03,334
so it makes sense, like, okay, even
if we are going to, you know, attack these

770
00:34:03,374 --> 00:34:05,134
people,
I want to be honest about how we do it.

771
00:34:06,314 --> 00:34:09,874
I am less keen on things like social
engineering, for example.

772
00:34:10,034 --> 00:34:12,734
Like, social engineering works,
but I'm also not very keen on it for this

773
00:34:12,814 --> 00:34:13,154
reason.

774
00:34:14,114 --> 00:34:14,454
So I,

775
00:34:15,414 --> 00:34:19,214
I care about honesty. However,
I am also okay with some

776
00:34:19,254 --> 00:34:23,014
amount of violence.
I am okay with violating people's consent.

777
00:34:23,214 --> 00:34:25,074
I am okay with resisting authority.

778
00:34:25,434 --> 00:34:29,174
Like, we are not here to be nice. We
are here to fight these people and win.

779
00:34:29,934 --> 00:34:33,734
So for example, if this means, you know,
we hack into their servers, and this

780
00:34:33,994 --> 00:34:36,514
means we break their consent,
and this means we get-- leak

781
00:34:36,554 --> 00:34:37,434
that information anyway,

782
00:34:37,494 --> 00:34:40,554
you know, I am fine with this.
That's my short version of, okay,

783
00:34:40,574 --> 00:34:41,274
which methods am I

784
00:34:41,314 --> 00:34:41,914
fine with. Like,

785
00:34:43,134 --> 00:34:46,914
I am-- I want to be honest
and keep promises, but I

786
00:34:46,934 --> 00:34:50,504
am okay with some amount of, you know,
violence, some amount of, you know,

787
00:34:50,534 --> 00:34:51,834
violating people's consent.

788
00:34:52,974 --> 00:34:53,174
Yeah.

789
00:34:56,453 --> 00:34:58,854
And like, again, morality is personal.

790
00:34:58,953 --> 00:35:01,354
If you want to work with me,
it's possible you have a different answer

791
00:35:01,374 --> 00:35:01,764
to me than,

792
00:35:01,974 --> 00:35:04,634
um, on this question.
You can share your answer with me.

793
00:35:04,714 --> 00:35:06,474
We can, you know, debate about it,
whatever.

794
00:35:06,494 --> 00:35:06,834
Like,

795
00:35:07,974 --> 00:35:09,884
this is all right now my personal
opinions.

796
00:35:09,954 --> 00:35:12,634
Obviously, once we have, you know,
more people working on such stuff,

797
00:35:12,714 --> 00:35:13,074
they will all

798
00:35:13,094 --> 00:35:14,854
have to take their own personal calls on,
you know,

799
00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:16,774
how far are they willing to go.

800
00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:26,434
Cool.
I think now I'll come broadly to the last

801
00:35:26,474 --> 00:35:29,274
section of this video,
which roughly talks, okay, on

802
00:35:30,494 --> 00:35:34,294
who do I want to ally with? Like,
more narrowly, okay, who

803
00:35:34,334 --> 00:35:37,153
should my co-founder be? More broadly,
who should our allies be?

804
00:35:40,054 --> 00:35:43,054
Okay, so the first
and most important allies are obviously,

805
00:35:43,154 --> 00:35:43,954
okay, who do I

806
00:35:44,014 --> 00:35:47,314
work with and where do they get funding
from? So our funder has to be an ally.

807
00:35:47,654 --> 00:35:51,494
Now, I am not sure

808
00:35:51,554 --> 00:35:55,014
if there's any way to run this operation
as a for-profit. Like, I have tried.

809
00:35:55,214 --> 00:35:55,254
I

810
00:35:56,394 --> 00:35:59,484
wish we could do this as a for-profit,
but I'm not sure where we actually get the

811
00:35:59,534 --> 00:36:01,754
profit from. Uh, at least as of right now.

812
00:36:02,874 --> 00:36:05,014
Like,
there are many ways of profiting from

813
00:36:05,054 --> 00:36:05,734
cyberattacks.

814
00:36:05,774 --> 00:36:07,474
However, most of those seem unethical.

815
00:36:07,554 --> 00:36:07,814
Like,

816
00:36:09,454 --> 00:36:11,774
like,
I am okay targeting people who build

817
00:36:11,834 --> 00:36:13,374
superintelligence because, like I said,

818
00:36:13,434 --> 00:36:15,154
these people literally plan to kill me.

819
00:36:15,214 --> 00:36:18,034
You know, if they're planning to kill me,
I'm fine with, okay, of course, we attack

820
00:36:18,074 --> 00:36:21,954
them in return. However,
I'm not okay with, okay, we go,

821
00:36:22,034 --> 00:36:24,314
you know,
attack some random strangers in some

822
00:36:24,374 --> 00:36:25,734
random country, like

823
00:36:25,774 --> 00:36:28,514
cyberattack them, and then, you know,
like lock their computers

824
00:36:28,534 --> 00:36:29,354
and demand a crypto

825
00:36:29,394 --> 00:36:32,694
ransom or whatever.
I'm not keen with that, on with that,

826
00:36:32,794 --> 00:36:33,134
that we go

827
00:36:33,194 --> 00:36:36,314
at-attack some random innocent people who
have done something wrong. Who have...

828
00:36:36,374 --> 00:36:38,814
Sorry,
that we go attack some random innocent

829
00:36:38,854 --> 00:36:39,874
people who have done nothing wrong.

830
00:36:39,974 --> 00:36:40,114
Like-

831
00:36:41,586 --> 00:36:44,206
I--
that seems to go a bit too far even for

832
00:36:44,266 --> 00:36:44,406
me.

833
00:36:44,866 --> 00:36:48,186
Uh, therefore,
I'm not keen on profiting out of

834
00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:49,566
cyberattacks. Uh,

835
00:36:51,006 --> 00:36:53,046
otherwise you can profit out of, like,
defense.

836
00:36:53,126 --> 00:36:56,026
Like, you can sell, you know,
cyber defensive services to, you know,

837
00:36:56,226 --> 00:36:56,506
various

838
00:36:56,566 --> 00:36:58,226
corporates, to your own government.

839
00:36:59,046 --> 00:37:00,346
That I am okay with.

840
00:37:01,546 --> 00:37:03,146
So that could be a way we get profit.

841
00:37:03,266 --> 00:37:05,386
Otherwise,
we just have to do this as a nonprofit.

842
00:37:05,626 --> 00:37:08,966
I think we can get funding as a nonprofit
if we are actually competent.

843
00:37:09,086 --> 00:37:13,066
Like WikiLeaks at some point got over,
you know, $25 million in

844
00:37:13,086 --> 00:37:13,995
crypto donations,

845
00:37:14,946 --> 00:37:16,366
which is

846
00:37:17,866 --> 00:37:20,246
not as much as, you know,
like a billion-dollar tech company

847
00:37:20,266 --> 00:37:21,006
or whatever, but also

848
00:37:21,046 --> 00:37:24,126
that's a lot of money.
So I think we can get funding even

849
00:37:24,146 --> 00:37:24,986
if we operate as a

850
00:37:25,046 --> 00:37:28,446
nonprofit, if we are actually competent,
we are actually getting results.

851
00:37:30,386 --> 00:37:32,026
So yeah, the first person...

852
00:37:34,135 --> 00:37:37,786
[phone ringing] Sorry. Yeah. Yeah,
so the first person I

853
00:37:37,826 --> 00:37:41,686
need, and, uh,
I need to necessarily ally with is,

854
00:37:41,726 --> 00:37:44,406
okay, who are the people funding us?

855
00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:48,326
Another set of people who I think it will
be important to ally with is people

856
00:37:48,366 --> 00:37:50,786
from our own country.
At least they should give us some

857
00:37:50,826 --> 00:37:51,656
assurance they are not

858
00:37:51,686 --> 00:37:54,046
going to put us in prison for the things
we are going to do.

859
00:37:55,126 --> 00:37:57,506
Now, when I say our country,
which country do I mean?

860
00:37:57,746 --> 00:38:01,466
Now, as long as I'm with, living in India,
by default, this means, you know, the

861
00:38:01,486 --> 00:38:03,046
Indian government
and the Indian intelligence.

862
00:38:03,146 --> 00:38:06,926
If I can get some assurance from them
that, okay, if I attack any

863
00:38:07,006 --> 00:38:10,246
US AI company, leak whatever,
like Indian government won't put me in

864
00:38:10,286 --> 00:38:10,626
prison.

865
00:38:10,686 --> 00:38:12,726
Like if I can get that assurance,
that would be nice.

866
00:38:16,066 --> 00:38:16,386
Uh,

867
00:38:17,686 --> 00:38:21,366
also, I'm not choosy. I'm not saying,
"Okay, I will only ally with India here."

868
00:38:21,446 --> 00:38:21,726
Like,

869
00:38:22,806 --> 00:38:26,666
if tomorrow any of these countries,
could be Russia, could be

870
00:38:26,706 --> 00:38:30,406
Israel, could be whatever, they
were willing to

871
00:38:30,446 --> 00:38:33,326
work with me on this sort of stuff.
They were

872
00:38:34,266 --> 00:38:36,406
willing to take, let's say,
a strong stance.

873
00:38:36,456 --> 00:38:37,986
Okay, you know, superintelligence is bad.

874
00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:40,146
We will, you know, go against

875
00:38:41,006 --> 00:38:42,326
the people building superintelligence.

876
00:38:42,386 --> 00:38:44,426
If other countries
are willing to take that stance,

877
00:38:44,506 --> 00:38:46,126
I can also go live in some

878
00:38:46,166 --> 00:38:47,266
other country. Like,

879
00:38:48,426 --> 00:38:50,446
there are some details here.
They're kind of sensitive.

880
00:38:50,766 --> 00:38:50,946
Uh,

881
00:38:52,926 --> 00:38:54,086
but yeah, like

882
00:38:55,186 --> 00:38:59,026
the short answer is, yeah,
I want to be living outside the US

883
00:38:59,046 --> 00:39:02,486
and like figure out a way to, you know,
attack the US government, US AI companies,

884
00:39:02,626 --> 00:39:05,226
because they are the ones who
are right now accelerating this race to

885
00:39:05,286 --> 00:39:05,446
build

886
00:39:05,486 --> 00:39:06,326
superintelligence.

887
00:39:09,046 --> 00:39:11,666
Uh, again, like for example,
if I again go back to, you know,

888
00:39:11,706 --> 00:39:12,236
the WikiLeaks

889
00:39:12,306 --> 00:39:14,706
donation.
Now WikiLeaks got $25 million in

890
00:39:14,726 --> 00:39:15,246
donations.

891
00:39:15,306 --> 00:39:17,426
Like,
who did they actually get those donations

892
00:39:17,466 --> 00:39:18,666
from? We don't really know.

893
00:39:18,706 --> 00:39:21,686
Like some donors' names got leaked,
but mostly we don't actually know now.

894
00:39:22,226 --> 00:39:24,366
This may have been some, you know,
random American person.

895
00:39:24,426 --> 00:39:26,626
It may have been a Chinese person.
It may have been a Russian person.

896
00:39:26,646 --> 00:39:28,046
We actually don't know.

897
00:39:30,986 --> 00:39:34,886
Uh, if I am working in India,
I think I have more freedom to, you

898
00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:38,686
know, do things publicly. Like,
I can be more public about what I'm

899
00:39:38,706 --> 00:39:42,566
doing. I can also be more independent of,
you know, Indian formal,

900
00:39:42,806 --> 00:39:44,866
whatever, military chain of command,
et cetera.

901
00:39:45,756 --> 00:39:48,586
And I think this is a good thing because
people will trust us more.

902
00:39:48,726 --> 00:39:49,746
I will get feedback.

903
00:39:51,006 --> 00:39:54,226
But the downside is, yeah,
so far I've not been able to find people

904
00:39:54,306 --> 00:39:54,906
to work with.

905
00:39:55,086 --> 00:39:57,725
If I can find people to work with in
India, that would be great.

906
00:39:59,766 --> 00:40:03,386
If I hypothetically, again, this
is strictly hypothetical,

907
00:40:03,746 --> 00:40:07,586
went to Russia to work on this,
like I will be forced to be a lot

908
00:40:07,606 --> 00:40:10,526
more private about it,
and I will be forced to be a lot less

909
00:40:10,586 --> 00:40:11,566
independent about

910
00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:11,866
it.

911
00:40:13,046 --> 00:40:16,726
Uh, if I hypothetically
were to go live in Israel or something,

912
00:40:16,786 --> 00:40:18,526
obviously that has its own trade-offs
again.

913
00:40:20,146 --> 00:40:24,116
What I do strongly feel though is
that people who are living in the

914
00:40:24,126 --> 00:40:27,846
US, in the, in UK, in Western Europe,
if any of you

915
00:40:27,906 --> 00:40:31,186
think you have protection
when fighting against the US government,

916
00:40:31,366 --> 00:40:31,766
I think you are

917
00:40:31,786 --> 00:40:33,826
sorely mistaken, and you
are going to regret it.

918
00:40:33,906 --> 00:40:36,966
Like worst case,
you're going to pay for it with many years

919
00:40:37,146 --> 00:40:37,666
in prison.

920
00:40:38,626 --> 00:40:38,926
Uh,

921
00:40:40,206 --> 00:40:44,026
if you are living in, you know, Europe
and you're planning these sorts of

922
00:40:44,086 --> 00:40:45,126
offensive actions,

923
00:40:46,046 --> 00:40:49,666
you should probably leave Europe
is my guess. But there are details there.

924
00:40:49,846 --> 00:40:52,046
I don't want to get into that.

925
00:40:56,166 --> 00:40:57,966
Yeah, so the, again,
coming back to allies.

926
00:40:58,106 --> 00:41:00,176
The first ally is, okay,
people who can give us funding.

927
00:41:00,265 --> 00:41:02,736
Second ally is, okay,
if our own country can protect us,

928
00:41:02,806 --> 00:41:03,606
that would be nice.

929
00:41:08,086 --> 00:41:11,886
Uh, a third set of allies,
it would be nice if we, there are some

930
00:41:11,926 --> 00:41:15,026
insiders in the US AI companies
and the US government who will work with

931
00:41:15,106 --> 00:41:15,306
us.

932
00:41:15,366 --> 00:41:18,626
Like this is not like absolutely
essential, but it would be nice

933
00:41:18,686 --> 00:41:19,306
if we had people

934
00:41:19,326 --> 00:41:19,806
like this.

935
00:41:21,646 --> 00:41:24,966
Uh, it would be nice if there
are people outside our organization who

936
00:41:25,026 --> 00:41:25,486
are giving us

937
00:41:25,506 --> 00:41:27,566
good feedback. Like most feedback

938
00:41:28,446 --> 00:41:31,526
tends to suck.
Like most people have no context shared

939
00:41:31,566 --> 00:41:31,866
with you.

940
00:41:31,926 --> 00:41:35,835
They don't understand the constraints
you're operating with, but at least

941
00:41:35,835 --> 00:41:39,246
some feedback would be useful, and
that feedback is important,

942
00:41:39,826 --> 00:41:41,905
and I want at least some people to be
giving us feedback.

943
00:41:41,966 --> 00:41:44,525
I don't want to be just completely
isolated from the rest of society.

944
00:41:46,486 --> 00:41:46,866
Uh,

945
00:41:47,806 --> 00:41:50,646
example of feedback.
I previously said I don't actually know

946
00:41:50,666 --> 00:41:51,506
which leaks will help

947
00:41:51,526 --> 00:41:54,965
versus will not help. Like I have guesses,
but I'm not sure.

948
00:41:55,006 --> 00:41:58,866
If someone is very skilled at politics,
they know, okay, these leaks

949
00:41:58,886 --> 00:42:01,786
will specifically help. You know,
I want that sort of feedback.

950
00:42:01,846 --> 00:42:02,526
Like I want to know.

951
00:42:03,426 --> 00:42:05,525
So I also want that sort of ally.

952
00:42:06,946 --> 00:42:10,806
Okay, allies who I don't want.
I don't want to ally with any media house.

953
00:42:11,306 --> 00:42:13,746
Uh,
I don't want to ally with people who will

954
00:42:13,786 --> 00:42:14,886
help us with recruiting.

955
00:42:15,986 --> 00:42:17,186
I have reasons, but yeah.

956
00:42:18,066 --> 00:42:20,746
Like I want a small team
that actually has a mission

957
00:42:20,786 --> 00:42:21,806
and can actually do what it

958
00:42:21,846 --> 00:42:25,786
takes rather than, okay,
broad group of alliance of people who have

959
00:42:25,826 --> 00:42:28,446
network and blah, blah, blah,
but don't actually do anything.

960
00:42:32,366 --> 00:42:36,106
Yeah. Also, who will respect us?
Like we are planning to, or at least I

961
00:42:36,206 --> 00:42:40,086
am and people I want to work with,
are planning to do something

962
00:42:40,126 --> 00:42:43,506
at least somewhat radical.
Like not everyone is going to respect us.

963
00:42:43,586 --> 00:42:45,946
Not everyone is going to like us for the
fact that we're doing this.

964
00:42:47,110 --> 00:42:51,050
Some people will respect us. In general,
again, this is a guess, I

965
00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:53,330
don't know,
but my guess from limited number of

966
00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:54,090
conversations,

967
00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:58,450
people who value power more
are going to respect us more in general.

968
00:42:58,970 --> 00:43:02,390
So like some tech founders will respect
us, some billionaires will respect us,

969
00:43:02,510 --> 00:43:02,649
some

970
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:06,190
politicians will respect us,
some social media influencers will respect

971
00:43:06,270 --> 00:43:06,630
us, some

972
00:43:06,830 --> 00:43:10,170
actors will, like, respect us,
some libertarians will respect us, some,

973
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:10,370
you know,

974
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:13,110
more radical-leaning leftists will respect
us.

975
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:17,990
People who value power less will tend to
respect us less.

976
00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:21,630
Uh, or people who value, you know,
knowledge and truth less,

977
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:22,250
they will tend to

978
00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:25,730
respect us less. Now,
I think religious people will respect us

979
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:26,080
less,

980
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:29,790
uh, liberals will respect us less,
people without any strong political

981
00:43:29,830 --> 00:43:30,170
opinion

982
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:31,370
will respect us less.

983
00:43:32,490 --> 00:43:32,790
Uh,

984
00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:38,570
and like that's just a thing. This
is not something I can choose.

985
00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:41,070
This is just a fact about reality.
Some people will like us more

986
00:43:41,090 --> 00:43:41,580
and some people

987
00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:44,299
will hate us for what we're doing,
and that's just it.

988
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:50,590
Uh, if we do succeed,
I think we will inspire more people to do

989
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:50,869
similar

990
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:54,850
things like this. Like, I am inspired by,
you know, long chain of people,

991
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:58,750
many of which were broadly part of the
cypherpunk activist movement.

992
00:43:59,650 --> 00:43:59,970
Uh,

993
00:44:01,050 --> 00:44:03,110
if I succeed,
I will go inspire more people.

994
00:44:03,450 --> 00:44:04,530
That will happen.

995
00:44:04,610 --> 00:44:04,850
Like,

996
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:08,010
I will prove that, like,
you can just go do things.

997
00:44:08,190 --> 00:44:08,510
Like,

998
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:13,510
a lot of people are pessimistic about
their ability to, you know,

999
00:44:13,570 --> 00:44:14,370
change society in

1000
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:17,440
some very big way. Like,
I have talked to many people like this.

1001
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:20,810
This is, like, not some-- a very rare
or unique thing.

1002
00:44:20,890 --> 00:44:23,440
Most people are pessimistic about their
ability to inf--

1003
00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:24,810
affect large scale society

1004
00:44:25,050 --> 00:44:28,390
changes. So if we can succeed at all,
this, you know,

1005
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:32,610
can help make them more optimistic
that they can also go do something.

1006
00:44:38,590 --> 00:44:42,250
If you're still watching this video by
now, you already probably have a decent

1007
00:44:42,330 --> 00:44:43,910
idea,
do you actually want to work with me on

1008
00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:44,530
this or not?

1009
00:44:44,610 --> 00:44:47,850
Like, but yeah, again,
I will just reiterate if this

1010
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:48,510
is not already

1011
00:44:48,570 --> 00:44:49,370
clear, like,

1012
00:44:50,590 --> 00:44:54,470
yeah, I prefer honesty. I prefer, like, we

1013
00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:56,810
are okay with little bit violent approach,
too.

1014
00:44:57,170 --> 00:45:00,590
So if you are okay with little bit violent
approach, too, then you should work with

1015
00:45:00,630 --> 00:45:00,830
me.

1016
00:45:01,970 --> 00:45:05,730
If you believe superintelligence
is coming, the

1017
00:45:05,770 --> 00:45:09,610
world may be ending, especially
if you have emotionally internalized this,

1018
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:12,190
again, that's a good signal
that you should be working with me.

1019
00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:16,390
If you value power,
that's a signal you should work with me.

1020
00:45:17,090 --> 00:45:19,870
If you understand that the world
is run by self-interest,

1021
00:45:21,090 --> 00:45:24,450
uh,
and systems that constrain self-interest,

1022
00:45:24,610 --> 00:45:25,070
that is again

1023
00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:26,210
a signal you should work with me.

1024
00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:30,090
In terms of, like, competence, uh,

1025
00:45:32,490 --> 00:45:36,070
I am personally good at generalist
research and creating new

1026
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:38,710
ideas. Like, again,
I'm not saying I'm some, you know,

1027
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:39,650
world expert or anything.

1028
00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:42,150
I'm not.
But I think that's what I'm good at.

1029
00:45:43,090 --> 00:45:46,750
I am also decent at software development.
Again, I'm not an expert at that.

1030
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:50,950
Like, I have built multiple apps.
I've worked on multiple scraping projects.

1031
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:53,990
I have some decent understanding of how
OpSec works.

1032
00:45:56,730 --> 00:46:00,500
I am willing to upskill in cybersecurity,
so I'll become

1033
00:46:00,530 --> 00:46:02,990
better at, you know, security research,
hacking, and so on.

1034
00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:06,770
Again, I don't think I can become, like,
the world's best hacker or something, but

1035
00:46:06,850 --> 00:46:09,470
I think if I put in the hours,
I put in the work, I can get, like,

1036
00:46:09,550 --> 00:46:09,970
decent.

1037
00:46:11,110 --> 00:46:12,710
So that's what I am good at.

1038
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:17,150
What I am not good at is networking,
fundraising,

1039
00:46:17,310 --> 00:46:18,390
persuading people.

1040
00:46:19,530 --> 00:46:21,730
Like, if you are good at those things,
you know,

1041
00:46:21,850 --> 00:46:23,230
you will have a complementary fit.

1042
00:46:23,710 --> 00:46:27,130
Uh, if you can help me raise funding,
for example, like, that would be a very

1043
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:28,990
strong signal that you should be working
with me.

1044
00:46:31,110 --> 00:46:34,370
If you are skilled as a hacker, again,
you are welcome to work with me.

1045
00:46:34,570 --> 00:46:37,130
Like,
anyone who's willing to work on this sort

1046
00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:38,550
of radical project is

1047
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:42,410
going to be useful to me and also, well,
ideally to you.

1048
00:46:42,450 --> 00:46:43,770
Like,
you should also be doing this for

1049
00:46:43,810 --> 00:46:46,140
yourself, not just to appease

1050
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:49,610
Samuel. Like,
you should believe in leaking information.

1051
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:51,450
You should believe that, okay,
the world is ending.

1052
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:53,830
Like, this has to come from within you.

1053
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:54,510
I can't, you know,

1054
00:46:55,830 --> 00:46:58,550
convince... Well, maybe I can convince,
but ultimately, like,

1055
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,510
the drive to this has

1056
00:46:59,550 --> 00:47:01,450
to come from within.
I want to work with people who

1057
00:47:01,490 --> 00:47:02,670
are self-motivated

1058
00:47:04,110 --> 00:47:06,150
and agentic and so on.

1059
00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:12,550
Uh,
maybe a minor aside on how should our

1060
00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:13,430
OpSec work.

1061
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:13,830
Like...

1062
00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:22,250
Yeah, this might seem like a tangent,
but I think it also needs to be covered.

1063
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:25,370
Uh,
I think we need to have the ability to

1064
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:26,510
keep at least something

1065
00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:29,310
secret. Like,
we are getting information on our enemies.

1066
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:31,510
We don't want to just leak everything we
get.

1067
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:33,090
Like, some of those things
are actually private,

1068
00:47:33,130 --> 00:47:34,370
and we want to keep them private.

1069
00:47:34,450 --> 00:47:36,930
So some things we have to keep secret,
and the rest we will leak.

1070
00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:40,790
Also, some of our methods,
some of our capabilities,

1071
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:42,050
how did we attack, that

1072
00:47:42,090 --> 00:47:43,330
also needs to be kept secret.

1073
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:46,370
So these two things need to be secret a
bit.

1074
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:48,990
Rest remaining apart from this,
I think it's fine if we

1075
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:49,970
are public about a bunch of

1076
00:47:50,010 --> 00:47:53,590
stuff. Like, again, you can debate, argue,
whatever with me, like,

1077
00:47:54,850 --> 00:47:56,410
uh, opinions vary on that. Uh,

1078
00:47:58,170 --> 00:48:02,090
now just as I think it is important we
are able to keep some secrets, I

1079
00:48:02,110 --> 00:48:04,510
also think it will be difficult for us to
keep secrets.

1080
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:04,810
Like,

1081
00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:09,270
in general, if you go read about,
you know, all the activists

1082
00:48:09,310 --> 00:48:09,860
and so on who have

1083
00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:12,610
worked on similar things,
generally they have found it hard to keep

1084
00:48:12,670 --> 00:48:13,330
secrets even

1085
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:14,150
though they had to.

1086
00:48:15,850 --> 00:48:18,550
And, like,
that is generally my whole worldview.

1087
00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:20,950
Like, attacking people,
getting their information is easy,

1088
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:22,150
and defending your own

1089
00:48:22,210 --> 00:48:24,830
secrets is hard. That
is why I'm saying let's go attack them,

1090
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:25,610
get their secrets.

1091
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:28,770
But on the flip side,
that also means they can also attack us

1092
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:29,330
and get all our

1093
00:48:29,370 --> 00:48:30,450
secrets. So,

1094
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:34,590
like, that is just a fact about reality.

1095
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:37,610
This is where the playing field looks like
right now, where attack is easier and

1096
00:48:37,630 --> 00:48:40,490
defense is hard. Uh,

1097
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:46,590
if we had, like, a large group of people,
and then we actually, you know, somewhat

1098
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:50,350
isolated from society,
then I think we can keep some

1099
00:48:50,410 --> 00:48:53,270
secrets. We can, you know,
remain psychologically healthy.

1100
00:48:53,350 --> 00:48:55,970
Like, the hard part of secrets
is not just technical stuff.

1101
00:48:56,050 --> 00:48:58,230
The hard part is the effects of secrets on
your psychology

1102
00:48:59,278 --> 00:49:00,598
Many people have written about this.

1103
00:49:00,758 --> 00:49:03,318
This is again a whole separate thesis I
can get into.

1104
00:49:04,018 --> 00:49:07,638
But like, yeah, keeping secrets
is hard because it's psychologically

1105
00:49:07,698 --> 00:49:10,458
costly. Like, especially
if you think you're morally wrong in

1106
00:49:10,518 --> 00:49:11,218
keeping the secret,

1107
00:49:11,288 --> 00:49:13,078
then you are like done for.

1108
00:49:13,978 --> 00:49:14,198
Uh,

1109
00:49:15,898 --> 00:49:17,878
so we need to have strong moral
justifications.

1110
00:49:17,938 --> 00:49:19,538
Okay, these are the things we
are keeping secret.

1111
00:49:19,598 --> 00:49:21,238
These are the things we are leaking.
This is why.

1112
00:49:21,298 --> 00:49:22,938
Like,
we need to be clear in our own heads about

1113
00:49:22,998 --> 00:49:23,958
that so that we can remain

1114
00:49:23,978 --> 00:49:26,858
psychologically healthy. That
is important.

1115
00:49:28,578 --> 00:49:32,428
And yeah, like at least at the start,
once it's just me or one,

1116
00:49:32,738 --> 00:49:36,278
like two people, three people, like we
are just not going to be able to keep

1117
00:49:36,478 --> 00:49:39,998
any secrets. Like that's unfortunate,
but that's the reality.

1118
00:49:40,038 --> 00:49:43,538
Like once we have a lot more people,
once we have money, competence, et cetera,

1119
00:49:43,658 --> 00:49:47,278
then we may be able to pull it off.
But at the start, like keeping secrets

1120
00:49:47,307 --> 00:49:47,538
is going

1121
00:49:47,558 --> 00:49:49,858
to be hard even for us.
Like not just for our enemies,

1122
00:49:49,918 --> 00:49:50,598
but also for us.

1123
00:49:53,238 --> 00:49:53,998
Okay. So

1124
00:49:55,078 --> 00:49:57,998
if you want to work with me,
you can contact me on Signal.

1125
00:49:58,098 --> 00:49:59,738
My Signal username is available.

1126
00:50:00,918 --> 00:50:04,598
I do not think the risks are very high
if you just have like a quick call with

1127
00:50:04,638 --> 00:50:04,818
me.

1128
00:50:05,158 --> 00:50:07,718
But if you actually work with me
full-time, then yes, there

1129
00:50:07,758 --> 00:50:08,738
are significant risks

1130
00:50:08,778 --> 00:50:10,378
to you for sure, 100%.

1131
00:50:12,598 --> 00:50:15,038
Uh,
if you want to actually work with me

1132
00:50:15,098 --> 00:50:16,538
full-time, like beyond just, you know,

1133
00:50:16,598 --> 00:50:19,688
first one or two calls,
like I think the actual answer is,

1134
00:50:19,758 --> 00:50:20,238
you know, you have to

1135
00:50:20,278 --> 00:50:21,718
take a flight,
you have to meet me in person.

1136
00:50:21,818 --> 00:50:23,298
I don't think there's any way to avoid
that.

1137
00:50:23,398 --> 00:50:23,718
Like,

1138
00:50:24,878 --> 00:50:28,818
and once we are working together,
we will also have to figure out a plan to

1139
00:50:28,838 --> 00:50:30,858
keep your loved ones safe. Like,

1140
00:50:32,638 --> 00:50:34,038
again,
those are things we'll have to figure out

1141
00:50:34,078 --> 00:50:35,198
later, but they're important.

1142
00:50:35,348 --> 00:50:35,738
And

1143
00:50:37,478 --> 00:50:40,338
yeah,
like we have to live in a country outside,

1144
00:50:40,398 --> 00:50:41,218
you know, US, UK,

1145
00:50:41,298 --> 00:50:45,078
Europe, and we have to stay outside
and your social

1146
00:50:45,118 --> 00:50:47,668
circle has to also stay outside.
And then we have to, you know,

1147
00:50:47,678 --> 00:50:48,098
work on this

1148
00:50:48,118 --> 00:50:50,658
full-time.
Like that seems like the only way I think

1149
00:50:50,698 --> 00:50:51,858
we can actually pull this off.

1150
00:50:54,858 --> 00:50:58,618
Okay. So that was a 50-minute

1151
00:50:58,658 --> 00:51:01,038
video apparently. That
was way longer than I thought.

1152
00:51:01,178 --> 00:51:03,778
Uh, this is my first take of the video,
by the way.

1153
00:51:03,878 --> 00:51:07,818
I have not, you know,
made multiple takes and I don't think I

1154
00:51:07,898 --> 00:51:09,987
will. Like I said, I am busy and,
you know,

1155
00:51:10,017 --> 00:51:11,878
this plan will be outdated in six

1156
00:51:11,958 --> 00:51:14,598
months anyway. Like
if you ask Samuel six months from now what

1157
00:51:14,638 --> 00:51:15,318
his plan is, it will

1158
00:51:15,358 --> 00:51:17,948
have been modified a fair bit anyway,
you know.

1159
00:51:18,078 --> 00:51:19,618
So this is just my video on

1160
00:51:20,578 --> 00:51:23,818
as of what, 15 July 2026, you know,

1161
00:51:24,378 --> 00:51:27,958
here is my galaxy brain incomplete,
possibly in-inaccurate

1162
00:51:28,218 --> 00:51:31,598
plan for what to do things.
If you want to work with me on this

1163
00:51:31,658 --> 00:51:32,058
or something

1164
00:51:32,098 --> 00:51:32,908
similar to this,

1165
00:51:33,978 --> 00:51:35,918
like do reach out. Like,

1166
00:51:38,458 --> 00:51:40,518
yeah, just do reach out. Like

1167
00:51:41,598 --> 00:51:45,478
I am somewhat competent,
I am very motivated, and I think we

1168
00:51:45,538 --> 00:51:47,398
can figure it out as we go along.