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[speaker_0] Hello, my name is Samuel.
I graduated from MIT in

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2023. I did ML Safety Scholars under Dr.
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It's a full-time course.
I got convinced by some of these

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why the superintelligence might be coming
soon, why it could be dangerous, and I

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realized actually my life is in danger.

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[speaker_1] Yes,
I think there's an actual chance I might

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[speaker_2] So your motive why you
are doing so, I know because, uh, when we

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reach a certain level, the AI will, uh,
going to impact us.

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[speaker_1] Something.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_1] Okay? It will fail.

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No matter what you do,
you're wasting your time.

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[speaker_0] Uh, yeah,
I think in the next five to 10 years,

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will become better than humans at
everything.

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I'm against the idea of like, uh,
like I'm pro-technology, pro-capitalism,

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but I'm specifically against
superintelligence.

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An AI which is so much better than humans
is do everything.

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And then you can run the entire business,
politics, research.

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There's no thing you can run.
When you're in that sort of scenario,

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basically hundred percent unemployment.
It'll be like everybody will be useless.

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[speaker_2] See, brother,
you see the human race take over.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_2] We, human race, you know,
we work without technology

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also.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_2] Without science also.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_2] Without, we work. Science
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machinery.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_2] We are surviving.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_2] There is a way.

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[speaker_1] No, instead of companies,
can we

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have some kind of system where we
democratize.

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[speaker_0] Hey,
I'm completely in support with you on,

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had an institution
that could democratically control what to

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superintelligence-

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[speaker_1] Yeah

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[speaker_0] ...
I would be in support of that. Uh,

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I haven't built it, you haven't built it.

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If nobody builds it in the next five to 10
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happening.

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[speaker_3] I think this is,
so I believe like it's way ahead of a

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Like,
I don't think it's coming any year to us.

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It, it being exponential because, uh,
priorly what the,

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the major thing which was solved,
all the attention mechanism we got earlier

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also,
we have got the second going to I believe.

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[speaker_0] Like I, like there
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think we can build an AI that's better
than humans in everything.

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Like we might be able to build this in
like next five years, 10, you know.

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[speaker_2] Thinking probably, yeah. I'm

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afraid of this. I'm afraid of this kind of

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scenario.

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[speaker_0] Yes.

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[speaker_2] Then what we will do?

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[speaker_0] Right. Now I'm basically, uh,
trying to raise awareness to put, like,

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so that the public puts pressure on the US
government, on the Chinese government.

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[speaker_1] So the AI for, for

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peace. For peace.

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[speaker_0] Yeah. Yeah.

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That could be the winning something.

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[speaker_1] Are you making this just to
become famous?

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[speaker_0] Uh, no.
I actually think my life is in danger.

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I could have had, you know, career in,
you know, software research.

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I actually think my life is in danger,
that's all.

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[speaker_1] The actual, uh,
good life kind of things

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not reached the Earth. Main thing
is whatsoever is virtual

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we must implement.

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[speaker_0] I

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don't

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want to discourage anyone working on it,
but also when I looked at it, what I

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realized was like this
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Like this is going to take more time than
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unless, you know,
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like this will take time and you know,
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superintelligence in five years,
I feel like this is not getting solved in

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[speaker_1] But I get where
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to like compete with this frontier.
They are claiming that it is their own.

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[speaker_2] No, no, no.
System don't know anything.

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System only know what the algorithms you
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[speaker_0] I think this
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Like I'm saying even right now we
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much false data.

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[speaker_2] Has to, of course.

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[speaker_0] Like it's fine on that,
like without us telling it, and we

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data also, false data also both.

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[speaker_2] True.

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[speaker_0] Because internet has all sorts
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But right now still
when you ask you putting-

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[speaker_2] Whatever data has been there

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for, okay, thirty or forty years,
just reuse the data and call up the

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[speaker_1] I feel out of place as well,
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[speaker_0] You must have then considered
also leaving India.

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[speaker_1] Mm, I am planning to,
but not as of now.

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[speaker_0] Okay.

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[speaker_1] Like not trying to like leave
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very concrete facts, but yeah.

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[speaker_2] We're building our core
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I don't know what is happening.
Maybe we are doing very good.

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I'm happy to hear, uh, that people
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software industry. In the same way, we
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time we should infrastructure should be
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but you have got an opportunity to be a

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[speaker_0] Search for, you know,
a superintelligence. But I'm, again,

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I feel like this is a hard problem.
It's not getting cracked in five years.

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I feel like we're not prepared. You know,

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successfully keep a superintelligence
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means whose control? It'll be, you know,
the people running, you know, the, the

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CEOs of, you know, OpenAI, DeepMind,
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the race. It'll be, you know,
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will run the entire society how they want,
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[speaker_1] It would may not injure a
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[speaker_0] Yeah. This Asimov's laws,
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[speaker_1] Yeah. Yeah.

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[speaker_0] Yeah, yeah.
I've read about it. Yeah.

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[speaker_1] Okay. Sorry, what is that?
All I heard, what is that name?

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_1] Asimov's laws.

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[speaker_0] Asimov. Okay.

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[speaker_1] As- Okay. These are the laws.

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[speaker_0] Asimov. Okay.

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[speaker_1] We cannot even create any AI
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AI can never like give us a problem.

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[speaker_0] Yes.

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[speaker_1] Until, unless it's, you know,
some robbing jobs of the tunga people,

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people, you know.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_1] At that time, the movie
was created in the '90s that, uh,

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_1] Now you tell me buses
are more viable or the palgadi

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_1] What would you,
what do you think?

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[speaker_0] Yeah, like I'm pro-technology.
I'm even pro, I am specifically against

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superintelligence.
I think superintelligence

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technology.

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[speaker_1] Solving the problem

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[speaker_4] Uh,
because Indian has one particular problem-

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[speaker_0] Okay

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[speaker_4] ... again.

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[speaker_0] Mm.

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[speaker_4] Now you will see
that problem in everything.

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[speaker_0] Okay.

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[speaker_4] This is it, uh,
our makeup of how we think, and

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spirituality or, uh, education.

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[speaker_0] Mm.

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[speaker_4] I do not see much of
education, but-

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[speaker_0] No, no, no. There
are too many points I want to first,

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[speaker_4] Okay, you want to-

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[speaker_0] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
you were saying, you know, yeah,

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of robotics, like, uh, there
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Even people at OpenAI, Anthropic,
there are a few people at these companies

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to, you know, ensure their, you know,
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I'm saying even they are,
like right now failing, like this

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[speaker_4] Anytime a new technology
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[speaker_0] Yes

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[speaker_4] ... there are a lot of dummy,
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phones failed.

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[speaker_0] Yes.

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[speaker_4] N- not because they were,
they were wrong.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_4] Technology.
Just look how the technology is being, be-

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like made, how, how they've been creating,
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Not every, every perspective of,
of profession.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_4] And from design-

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[speaker_0] Okay

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[speaker_4] ... and from marketing.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_4] I know what it,
how to write and all.

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Right. You can always put the plug inside.
Runs on electricity, right?

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[speaker_0] Okay, yeah. So there
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[speaker_4] It, it, it has, it,
it runs on certain things and

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always autonomy is given by humans to the
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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_4] At the end of the day,
if it... I'm not saying complete autonomy,

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autonomy is, is a,
is the basis of what AI has to have.

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No AI can have, uh,
complete autonomy without guardrails of

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Yeah,
I'm only saying we have to trust the

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When human beings have done damages to,
to the, to the

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world to a degree as well.
Not to say that, okay,

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against of course. Consider of saying, uh,

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for causing research you could say start
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for guardrails, okay? Uh, towards, uh,

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artificial superintelligence.

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[speaker_0] I,
I understood what you're saying.

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I appreciate you put this effort into
thinking about it.

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But yeah, I mean, coming back to pausing,
I feel, yeah, I mean, unless,

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like public actually puts pressure on
governments, on companies to do something

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about it, but-

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[speaker_4] No,
but I think you need to self-evolve.

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That the point is
that only self-actualized individuals can

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I am not fully self-actualized.
I'm on my way to self-actualization.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_4] I have more coherence in terms
of others.

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So I'm saying that if you have coherence,
you can build anything in the

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world with guardrails.
That's the whole point.

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[speaker_0] Yeah. Uh, you're saying,
you're saying if you like,

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you know, full automated autonomy,
it can run, you know, everything, uh,

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we will pull the plug. I'm saying like-

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[speaker_4] Structured autonomy.

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[speaker_0] ... first we can appreciate-

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[speaker_4] Structured... Even right now,
the AI that is there, it is not without

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structured autonomy. Don't think
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[speaker_0] Sorry. Yeah,
please answer first.

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[speaker_4] Huh?

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[speaker_0] Do you,
I'd react to what you said.

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[speaker_4] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Okay.

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[speaker_0] Uh, yeah, I mean,
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between US and China. Even if a country
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that, you know,
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with it. That is, like, the first problem.

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The second problem
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sufficiently intelligent
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Third problem, if the takeoff
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human to like way beyond human,
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see it coming.

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[speaker_4] Okay, your blind spot
and bottleneck question.

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[speaker_5] The initiative is good, man,
but like I have just one question.

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Seeing AI to AI conversation that's
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[speaker_4] So let me-

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[speaker_5] Yeah

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[speaker_4] ... let me, let me just-

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[speaker_5] Instead of pressurizing the
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India has no,

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no, how do you say, no say

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compared to the US and compared to China.

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So I don't think you can achieve anything,
uh, tangible, but, uh,

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it's a good initiative. I appreciate it.

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[speaker_4] Yeah.

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[speaker_5] Many people don't know about
this stuff.

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[speaker_0] Yeah. That is true.

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[speaker_4] My only point is that,
you know, if you're just going to say

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be a linear thing, life
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You never know what surprises sprung up.

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So instead of trying to control AI like a

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dictator who does that and respect,
you know, myopia, dystopia or

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utopia, build frameworks
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that will implement and, you know,
it will give it direction.

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It needs struct- systems, structure,
clarity and direction.

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Powerful direction. Your internet,
a lot of individuals

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did say that, you know,
there would be this catastrophe,

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Now the big media houses
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This is democratizing every individual.

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You know,
you could basically post this using AI

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but instead of a negative or a pause,

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look at the positive impact of it
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as, as real, real time systemic feedback.
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[speaker_0] So think I'm agreeing on you
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part. I think that's-

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[speaker_4] But you ...
I'm here to put up my point.

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[speaker_0] Yeah, yeah.

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[speaker_4] I have to go.

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[speaker_0] Sorry.

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[speaker_6] I partially agree with you
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between. Suppose there
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It is very fine, very much fine.

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[speaker_4] Something.

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[speaker_0] Yeah.

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[speaker_4] Okay? It will fail.

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[speaker_6] Because I believe-

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[speaker_4] No matter what you do,
you're wasting your time by just by

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here instead of doing something
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a clarity mission.

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[speaker_0] An answer, I mean,
I am supportive of people working on

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research for a superintelligence to be
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[speaker_4] But you can't basically
control, uh, US and China.

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You are basically expecting a utopia here.

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[speaker_0] Yeah. I-

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[speaker_4] And it's not going to work

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[speaker_0] ...
I personally can't do this. Only

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public is convinced-

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[speaker_4] No, but, uh,
see everybody's going to AI India Impact

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[speaker_0] Yes.

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[speaker_4] I don't have time for this.
This is not...

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You are basically trying to con-
contain something

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has a huge capacity.
It's beyond the realistic

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idea. There's you, if you really want,
you invent something that will

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ensure it in proper direction.

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[speaker_0] Okay. I, I-

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[speaker_4] You-

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[speaker_0] I think we disagree,
but I understood your point of view. Yeah.

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[speaker_4] It's not whether you disagree
or I'm not here to convince you.

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I'm here to ensure
that you don't waste your time.

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[speaker_0] Okay.

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[speaker_4] And nor, nor do others.

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[speaker_0] No.

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[speaker_4] First thing is,
the more you stand up against something

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reason, a proper cause, you
are not standing up for a real cause.

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[speaker_0] Yeah. I think it-

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[speaker_4] I think this
is not the right cause

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[speaker_0] ... you should explain,
explain to my reasons why-

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[speaker_4] No, no, I don't want to argue.
You are basically, you are a- you

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imposing your dictatorship on something
that you don't, you don't have control

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over. You want to contain it. And that's-

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[speaker_0] I said the public should
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[speaker_4] No, no. Whether you
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[speaker_6] I think we need to make sure
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correct hands.

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[speaker_4] Su- superintelligence
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[speaker_6] Whenever it comes,
it should be in the correct hands rather

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[speaker_4] I think you're, you're-

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[speaker_0] So, so yeah, so the, uh-

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[speaker_4] This is dystopia
and utopia and myopia.